Having Trouble with my Falcon 40 V2

[omega45820]

 Hello

Well i got my falcon the other day and i have read everything i can about the helicopter even the post in the beginning. I have properly set my swash plate level and balanced my blades but it still seem that every time i try to take off it wants to lean hard left. i have made sure that the heli is balanced both ways and still it does it. i have messed with the servo and cranked up my rod to get the swash plate leaning to the right and it will keep it almost from leaning to the left. i know this cant be normal so what do you all think it could be and is there any vids or info somewhere else that might help me in this and btw i have been using the sim and can almost fly just perfect on it still having bad luck on my heli tho lol any help would be appreciated

Thanks

[WC_WICKEDCLOWN]

Hello

Well i got my falcon the other day and i have read everything i can about the helicopter even the post in the beginning. I have properly set my swash plate level and balanced my blades but it still seem that every time i try to take off it wants to lean hard left. i have made sure that the heli is balanced both ways and still it does it. i have messed with the servo and cranked up my rod to get the swash plate leaning to the right and it will keep it almost from leaning to the left. i know this cant be normal so what do you all think it could be and is there any vids or info somewhere else that might help me in this and btw i have been using the sim and can almost fly just perfect on it still having bad luck on my heli tho lol any help would be appreciated

Thanks

are you useing a swash plate leveler ? to level your swash ?
then if you can unplug your motor and take a look at how your servos are moving about.

[Trijicon]

Once it gets into the air does it settle down?  When my 180D takes off it leans hard left as well and I have to give it right stick to counter the effect of the torque but once it lifts off it is settled and stable. It just might be the torque / rotor wash just at take off.   Give it opposite stick input right at take off and then see if it clears up once it is a couple of feet off the ground.

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[omega45820]

No i havent yet had the chance to order a leveler but im going to in a min but ive got it apart right now and going trough it checking everything and trying to figure something out tho yea when i take off i still leans hard left and even using the trim setting far right and stick far right i barley can get it back so i thought that maybe i was moving it or soemthing when the gyro was starting up and even not touch it after it starts but still happens its just very unstable

[mr dan]

all heli's want to mvoe to the left at lift off, it's due to the air movement causing a bit of turbulance below the rotors (wash) in most videos you see the pilot has good skills and makes fine counter stick movements to offset this action. Start with small attempts to get the feel of your heli. dont try to get into the air too soon just get it light on the skids 1st and the heli should want or will move to the left a bit.. as it does, use a bit of right stick to keep it steady, do this over and over then slowly get your heli a bit higher at a time.

[Gene T]

If it's still pulling hard to the left after you take off a foot or two off the ground, then it's not the ground effect or torque.

Mine pulled hard to right when I first got it, but after leveling the swash it was fine. Even if the swash LOOKs level to you, maybe you could try and turn the linkages some more.

Falcon 40V2 has a 90 degree swash plate which really doesn't seem to need or benefit much from a swash plate leveler. I'm not even sure a standard leveler will fit on the shaft tightly.

BTW, level means 90degrees to the shaft, not necessarily level with the table top, especially if the Falcon is not sitting even itself.

[kloner]

I agree, you have to start with the swash level. I don't own a leveler but have a pretty good eye for straight. You can get it somewhat straight holding a ruler up to the swash, measuring off the frame, you should be able to get it better while you wait for your leveler. I would have the motor unplugged and everything on. Put your trim adjustments back to center and take a look at how the servo horns look. They should all be a little down or up depending on the config. You will want to loosen and tighten the rods leading to the swash from the servos till it's flat. put it all back together and it should be close to popping up flat, or at least trimmable

It shouldn't lean to the point your gonna loose it unless you can't fly yet, you should be counteracting it on lift off if there is wind shifting it around or wait till there is no wind. I just setup a guy for his first time on his blueray and when you hit the throttle, it popped right up flat, till the breeze took it away. lifht the throttl slow and smooth, not fast like driving. Always keep your eye on the main rotor, thats what i watch when flying.

hopefully this will help.

[lowbudget]

 CLOWN  you need to do some research on the falcon 40 - it has a 90 degree swashplate -  the swashplate levelers i have are only 120 degree - WILL NOT WORK
 
  it is normal for all fp and cp helis to try to lean left on take off - once you get it up 3 feet in the air and away from the prop wash you can work on the trim - constant light stick input is normal to keep it in a hover  = VIC

[omega45820]

Alright i took everything apart on it and changed the main motor around if looking down the nose of it the chip part that hangs over is on the left  know instead of the right and i changed the servos around to see if that helps and when i done a test flight i done a lot better actually for some weird reason i managed to stay in hover a couple times for 10 or so sec so i dont know what i really did but it did help anyways i adjusted the pots on it to but it still has slow reaction and the only to adjustments it had is ""Extent"" and ""Sensitive"" i turned my sensitive up and my extent but still got slow reaction times is there any way of fixing this or is there maybe a special spot where i can turn it to get descent reaction time if anyone has this same heli give me were ur pots are adjusted and ill try that for experiment lol

[lowbudget]

   on the old style 72mhg co-axial reciever the extent adjusted the servo travel ( end points ) - the sensitive was for the built in gyro  = VIC

[Gene T]

I have both of my pots set to more or less center. Playing with them did not help me.

One thing to mention, when you level the swash it has to be while it's powered up and bound to the transmitter. When they bind, the swash will move a bit. THAT's what should be level, not when it's powered off.

[omega45820]

Yea when i leveled my swash plate i did it with the power on and Main motor d/c and then i leveled it by twisting the ends out or in but yea i tired to fly it without my training gear and it seems more stable that way to maybe i didn't have my training gear leveled but i thought i did by holding the fly bar side by side and front to back and it seemed pretty level but i don't know im still going to try some other things and put leds on it to later on and order the CNC upgrade and brushless kit for it and the direct drive tail and stuff so that might help but im thinking about ordering a 6ch belt heli i just dont know what to get anyone have any ideas of what i should go for that pretty much ready to fly and CNC upgrades

[mckrackin]

It sounds like you're getting it.The leftward lean is completely normal on lift off.
When you first lift,the torque tries to spin the heli counter clockwise.The tail rotor speeds up to counter-act the torque.This actually pushes the heli to the left.Once you are up,it will all equalize and get alot easier.
There's no magic trick to get past it.Only practice.

If you are considering a 6ch heli for later,I'd like to suggest something like the BlueRay 450.
It has a ton of upgrade options since it is compatible with the Align Trex 450.
It's a pretty cool ready to fly heli.
It will still need some tweeking to get it perfect and a good once over to look for loose fasteners.

[Gene T]

I broke my training gear and quite honestly the Falcon DID seem better without it. The biggest change for me came when I replaced the tail motor. No upgrade, just a straight replacement. Until then I had little to no tail control. It would not only lean left on spoolup, but also spin left and circle in on me.

I had messed with the pots trying to overcome that, but it didn't do any good.

I had also bought a set of Super Blade EZ, which had to be modified to fit the Falcon, but once installed, seemed to make it more stable and easier to hover.

Or maybe I just learned how. Who knows.

I'm also planning to buy a 6ch CP, in my case I'll be getting the Blade 400. I still need the Falcon to practice and learn a lot of things so I won't risk the Blade 400 on learning basic stuff. But I don't think I'll bother upgrading anything on the Falcon. I bought the Super Blades EZ. I also bought the Super Skids but don't waste your $24, they don't fit a Falcon 40 V2, only a V1.

For me the biggest issue is the tail motors burning out. While there is a full brushless upgrade for some other small heli's (HBFP) there doesn't seem to be a full brushless upgrade for the Falcon 40V2, that I know of. If you found one, I'd appreciate a pointer.

By reading around a bit, I've been pretty much convinced that metal upgrades are not worth the money. They do look cool and if you really like that, go for it. But aside from trying to stop motor burnout, I don't think I'll invest any money in my Falcon40. Just fly it into everything until I finally kill it completely.

If someone were to release a 300-350 heli with full brushless motors stock, I'd probably just buy that. in the meantime I'll just keep a couple of spare tail motors around.

[freddie]

+1 Gene T

Sounds like you have a good plan !!